Legislature(1999 - 2000)
04/13/2000 03:13 PM House HES
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HOUSE HEALTH, EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
SERVICES STANDING COMMITTEE
April 13, 2000
3:13 p.m.
MEMBERS PRESENT
Representative Fred Dyson, Chairman
Representative Jim Whitaker
Representative Joe Green
Representative Carl Morgan
Representative Tom Brice
Representative Allen Kemplen
Representative John Coghill
MEMBERS ABSENT
All members present
COMMITTEE CALENDAR
SENATE BILL NO. 204
"An Act extending the termination date of the Alaska Commission
on Aging; and providing for an effective date."
- MOVED HCS SB 204(HES) OUT OF COMMITTEE
SENATE BILL NO. 103
"An Act relating to a curriculum for Native language education;
and providing for an effective date."
- MOVED HCS SB 103(HES) OUT OF COMMITTEE
CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 73(FIN)
"An Act relating to assisted living homes; and providing for an
effective date."
- MOVED HCS CSSB 73(HES) OUT OF COMMITTEE
HOUSE BILL NO. 375
"An Act relating to abuse of inhalants."
- MOVED CSHB 375(HES) OUT OF COMMITTEE
HOUSE BILL NO. 413
"An Act relating to intensive family preservation services; and
providing for an effective date."
- HEARD AND HELD
HOUSE BILL NO. 184
"An Act granting certain juvenile detention or juvenile
correctional institution employees status as peace officers under
the public employees' retirement system; and providing for an
effective date."
- SCHEDULED BUT NOT HEARD
PREVIOUS ACTION
BILL: SB 204
SHORT TITLE: EXTEND ALASKA COMMISSION ON AGING
Jrn-Date Jrn-Page Action
1/20/00 2012 (S) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
1/20/00 2012 (S) HES, FIN
2/02/00 (S) HES AT 1:30 PM BUTROVICH 205
2/02/00 (S) Heard & Held
2/02/00 (S) MINUTE(HES)
2/09/00 (S) HES AT 1:30 PM BUTROVICH 205
2/09/00 (S) Moved Out of Committee
2/09/00 (S) MINUTE(HES)
2/10/00 2254 (S) HES RPT 4DP
2/10/00 2254 (S) DP: MILLER, WILKEN, PEARCE, PETE
KELLY
2/10/00 2254 (S) ZERO FISCAL NOTES (ADM-5)
2/15/00 (S) FIN AT 9:00 AM SENATE FINANCE 532
2/15/00 (S) Heard & Held
2/15/00 (S) MINUTE(FIN)
3/02/00 (S) FIN AT 9:00 AM SENATE FINANCE 532
3/02/00 (S) Moved Out of Committee
3/02/00 (S) MINUTE(FIN)
3/02/00 (S) RLS AT 11:45 AM FAHRENKAMP 203
3/02/00 (S) MINUTE(RLS)
3/02/00 2490 (S) FIN RPT 5DP 2NR
3/02/00 2490 (S) DP: TORGERSON, PARNELL, PHILLIPS,
3/02/00 2490 (S) WILKEN, LEMAN; NR: GREEN, PETE KELLY
3/02/00 2490 (S) FISCAL NOTE (ADM-PROTECTION, COMM
SVCS)
3/02/00 2490 (S) PREVIOUS ZERO FN (ADM-4)
3/02/00 2493 (S) RLS TO CALENDAR 03/02/00
3/02/00 2494 (S) READ THE SECOND TIME
3/02/00 2494 (S) ADVANCED TO THIRD READING UNAN
CONSENT
3/02/00 2494 (S) READ THE THIRD TIME SB 204
3/02/00 2495 (S) PASSED Y18 N- E2
3/02/00 2495 (S) EFFECTIVE DATE(S) SAME AS PASSAGE
3/02/00 2496 (S) TRANSMITTED TO (H)
3/03/00 2382 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
3/03/00 2382 (H) HES, FIN
4/13/00 (H) HES AT 3:00 PM CAPITOL 106
BILL: SB 103
SHORT TITLE: NATIVE LANGUAGE EDUCATION
Jrn-Date Jrn-Page Action
3/13/99 510 (S) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRAL(S)
3/13/99 510 (S) HES, FIN
4/26/99 (S) HES AT 1:30 PM BUTROVICH 205
4/26/99 (S) MINUTE(HES)
4/27/99 1132 (S) HES RPT 3DP 2NR
4/27/99 1132 (S) DP: MILLER, PEARCE, ELTON; NR:
WILKEN,
4/27/99 1132 (S) PETE KELLY
4/27/99 1132 (S) ZERO FISCAL NOTE (DOE)
5/07/99 1307 (S) FIN REFERRAL WAIVED
5/10/99 (S) RLS AT 11:30 AM FAHRENKAMP 203
5/10/99 (S) MINUTE(RLS)
5/12/99 1391 (S) RULES TO CALENDAR 5/12/99
5/12/99 1392 (S) READ THE SECOND TIME
5/12/99 1392 (S) AM NO 1 WITHDRAWN
5/12/99 1394 (S) AM NO 2 FAILED Y4 N16
5/12/99 1395 (S) AM NO 3 ADOPTED UNAN CONSENT
5/12/99 1395 (S) ADVANCED TO THIRD READING UNAN
CONSENT
5/12/99 1395 (S) READ THE THIRD TIME SB 103 AM
5/12/99 1396 (S) PASSED Y19 N1
5/12/99 1396 (S) EFFECTIVE DATE(S) SAME AS PASSAGE
5/12/99 1396 (S) WARD NOTICE OF RECONSIDERATION
5/13/99 1420 (S) RECON TAKEN UP - IN THIRD READING
5/13/99 1421 (S) AM NO 4 NOT OFFERED
5/13/99 1421 (S) RETURN TO SECOND FOR AM 5 UNAN
CONSENT
5/13/99 1421 (S) AM NO 5 ADOPTED UNAN CONSENT
5/13/99 1421 (S) AUTOMATICALLY IN THIRD READING
5/13/99 1421 (S) PASSED ON RECONSIDERATION Y20 N-
5/13/99 1422 (S) EFFECTIVE DATE(S) SAME AS PASSAGE
5/13/99 1437 (S) TRANSMITTED TO (H)
5/14/99 1403 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRAL(S)
5/14/99 1403 (H) HES
1/12/00 1910 (H) CROSS SPONSOR(S): MORGAN
4/13/00 (H) HES AT 3:00 PM CAPITOL 106
BILL: SB 73
SHORT TITLE: ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES
Jrn-Date Jrn-Page Action
2/12/99 240 (S) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRAL(S)
2/12/99 241 (S) HES
2/16/99 258 (S) COSPONSOR(S): ELLIS, WILKEN
3/17/99 (S) HES AT 1:30 PM BUTROVICH 205
3/17/99 (S) HEARD AND HELD
3/17/99 (S) MINUTE(HES)
3/22/99 (S) HES AT 1:30 PM BUTROVICH 205
3/22/99 (S) HEARD AND HELD
3/22/99 (S) MINUTE(HES)
3/29/99 (S) HES AT 1:30 PM BUTROVICH 205
3/29/99 (S) MOVED CS (HES) OUT OF COMMITTEE
3/29/99 (S) MINUTE(HES)
3/30/99 734 (S) HES RPT CS 3DP 2NR SAME TITLE
3/30/99 734 (S) DP: MILLER, WILKEN, PETE KELLY
3/30/99 734 (S) NR: PEARCE, ELTON
3/30/99 735 (S) FISCAL NOTES (DHSS, ADM)
3/30/99 735 (S) FIN REFERRAL ADDED AFTER HES
4/08/99 (S) FIN AT 6:00 PM SENATE FINANCE 532
4/08/99 (S) HEARD AND HELD
4/08/99 (S) MINUTE(FIN)
4/20/99 (S) FIN AT 6:00 PM SENATE FINANCE 532
4/20/99 (S) SCHEDULED BUT NOT HEARD
4/22/99 (S) FIN AT 9:00 AM SENATE FINANCE 532
4/22/99 (S) HEARD AND HELD
4/22/99 (S) MINUTE(FIN)
3/02/00 (S) FIN AT 9:00 AM SENATE FINANCE 532
3/02/00 (S) Heard & Held
3/02/00 (S) MINUTE(HES)
3/09/00 (S) FIN AT 9:00 AM SENATE FINANCE 532
3/09/00 (S) Moved CS(Fin) Out of Committee
3/09/00 (S) MINUTE(HES)
3/15/00 2613 (S) FIN RPT CS 6DP 2NR SAME TITLE
3/15/00 2613 (S) DP: TORGERSON, PARNELL, PETE KELLY
3/15/00 2613 (S) WILKEN, LEMAN, ADAMS; NR: GREEN,
DONLEY
3/15/00 2613 (S) FISCAL NOTES (DHSS, ADM)
3/16/00 (S) RLS AT 11:30 AM FAHRENKAMP 203
3/16/00 (S) MINUTE(RLS)
4/12/00 3028 (S) RLS TO CALENDAR AND 1 OR 04/12/00
4/12/00 3032 (S) READ THE SECOND TIME
4/12/00 3032 (S) FIN CS ADOPTED UNAN CONSENT
4/12/00 3032 (S) COSPONSOR(S): TAYLOR, MACKIE,
4/12/00 3032 (S) PETE KELLY, ELTON
4/12/00 3032 (S) ADVANCED TO THIRD READING UNAN
CONSENT
4/12/00 3032 (S) READ THE THIRD TIME CSSB 73(FIN)
4/12/00 3033 (S) PASSED Y20 N-
4/12/00 3033 (S) EFFECTIVE DATE(S) SAME AS PASSAGE
4/12/00 3039 (S) TRANSMITTED TO (H)
4/13/00 (H) HES AT 3:00 PM CAPITOL 106
BILL: HB 375
SHORT TITLE: INHALANT ABUSE
Jrn-Date Jrn-Page Action
2/16/00 2209 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
2/16/00 2209 (H) HES, JUD, FIN
4/11/00 (H) HES AT 3:00 PM CAPITOL 106
Bill Postponed
4/13/00 (H) HES AT 3:00 PM CAPITOL 106
BILL: HB 413
SHORT TITLE: INTENSIVE FAMILY PRESERVATION SERVICES
Jrn-Date Jrn-Page Action
2/16/00 2221 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
2/16/00 2222 (H) HES, JUD, FIN
4/06/00 (H) HES AT 3:00 PM CAPITOL 106
4/06/00 (H) Scheduled But Not Heard
4/13/00 (H) HES AT 3:00 PM CAPITOL 106
WITNESS REGISTER
JERRY BURNETT, Staff
to Senator Lyda Green
Alaska State Legislature
Capitol Building, Room 125
Juneau, Alaska 99801
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented SB 204.
SHARON CLARK, Staff
to Senator Mike Miller
Alaska State Legislature
Capitol Building, Room 119
Juneau, Alaska 99801
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified on SB 204.
JANE DEMMERT, Executive Director
Alaska Commission on Aging
Division of Senior Services
Department of Administration
PO Box 110209
Juneau, Alaska 99811
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified on SB 204.
SENATOR GEORGIANNA LINCOLN
Alaska State Legislature
Capitol Building, Room 11
Juneau, Alaska 99801
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified as sponsor of SB 103.
MIKE TIBBLES, Staff
to Representative Gene Therriault
Alaska State Legislature
Capitol Building, Room 511
Juneau, Alaska 99801
POSITION STATEMENT: Commented on SB 73.
MYRNA MCGHIE, Staff
to Representative Jeannette James
Alaska State Legislature
Capitol Building, Room 102
Juneau, Alaska 99801
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions on SB 73.
WES KELLER, Staff
to Representative Fred Dyson
Alaska State Legislature
Capitol Building, Room 104
Juneau, Alaska 99801
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions on SB 73.
REPRESENTATIVE MARY KAPSNER
Alaska State Legislature
Capitol Building, Room 424
Juneau, Alaska 99801
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified as sponsor of HB 375.
ROBERT BUTTCANE, Juvenile Probation Officer
Division of Juvenile Justice
Department of Health & Social Services
PO Box 110635
Juneau, Alaska 99811
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions on HB 375.
GARY TURNER, Village Service Manager
Village Services Department
Yukon Kuskokwim Health Corporation
PO Box 528
Bethel, Alaska 99559
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 375.
BLAIR MCCUNE, Deputy Director
Central Office
Alaska Public Defender Agency
Department of Administration
900 West Fifth Avenue, Suite 200
Anchorage, Alaska 99501
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified on HB 375.
CHRIS STOCKARD, Captain
Division of Alaska State Troopers
Department of Public Safety
PO Box 111200
Juneau, Alaska 99801
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified on HB 375.
REPRESENTATIVE SHARON CISSNA
Alaska State Legislature
Capitol Building, Room 420
Juneau, Alaska 99801
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified as sponsor of HB 413.
SUSAN KELLY Manager
Family Preservation Services
Family Support Services
Prevention Services for Families
Family Independence Agency (FIA), Michigan
(no address provided)
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified on HB 413.
PRISCILLA MARTIN, Executive Director
National Family Preservation Network
Lobbyist, Behavioral Sciences Institute
(no address provided)
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified on HB 413.
ACTION NARRATIVE
TAPE 00-45, SIDE A
Number 0001
CHAIRMAN FRED DYSON called the House Health, Education and Social
Services Standing Committee meeting to order at 3:13 p.m.
Members present at the call to order were Representatives Dyson,
Whitaker, Morgan, Brice, Kemplen and Coghill. Representative
Green arrived as the meeting was in progress.
SB 204 - EXTEND ALASKA COMMISSION ON AGING
Number 0037
CHAIRMAN DYSON announced the first order of business as Senate
Bill No. 204, "An Act extending the termination date of the
Alaska Commission on Aging; and providing for an effective date."
JERRY BURNETT, Staff to Senator Lyda Green, Alaska State
Legislature, came forward to present SB 204. He noted there was
a draft committee substitute (CS) in the packet. The CS moves
the office of Long-Term Care Ombudsman (LTCO) from the Alaska
Commission on Aging to the legislative branch. He gave the
following testimony:
In order for the long-term care of the elderly to be
monitored and investigated properly, the Long-Term Care
Ombudsman's office must be moved out of the current
conflicted position. It is not possible for the
Director of the Commission on Aging to neutrally
monitor the Long-Term Care Ombudsman who may be
investigating actions of that director, his/her
employees, and colleagues within the Department of
Administration. A recent legislative audit showed that
the conflict exists under the present system. Alaskans
have a right to be assured and have the public
perception that they, or their friends and relatives
who are under the care of a state-operated facility
will be accorded the same rights to a full and fair
investigation of care as are persons in the care of a
private facility.
The only way to be sure that investigations of public
and private long-term facilities are seen equal is to
move the responsibility for that investigation of
complaints and advocacy for the rights of seniors away
from the body that also operates or licenses some of
these facilities.
Number 0188
SHARON CLARK, Staff to Senator Mike Miller, Alaska State
Legislature, came forward to testify. She read the following
testimony:
The Alaska Commission on Aging was first established as
a single Planning and Service Area (PSA) in the
Department of Administration as the Older Alaskans
Commission in July of 1981 by AS 44.21. Being
classified as a PSA means that the commission is the
only agency in the state that plans, funds and oversees
services to seniors statewide. In 1994, legislation was
adopted (Chapter 131, SLA 1994) that changed the
commission's name to Alaska Commission on Aging (ACOA).
The commission is authorized to administer and
coordinate state programs for older Alaskans and to
administer federal programs provided under the Older
Americans Act, 42 U.S. Code 3001-30451, as amended.
Together, the provisions of AS 44.21 and the Older
Americans Act establishes the commission's authority,
purpose, and scope of work.
On September 17, 1999, the Alaska State Legislature,
Legislative Budget and Audit Committee's special report
on the Department of Administration, Alaska Commission
on Aging conclusion's were the following:
The expiration date of ACOA should be extended.
In our opinion, ACOA has demonstrated that there is a
public need for this commission. According to AS
44.66.010, the commission is scheduled to expire June
30, 2000. We recommend that the legislature adopt
legislation extending ACOA's expiration date to June
30, 2004.
The purpose of SB 204 is to extend the termination date
of the Alaska Commission on Aging to June 2004.
MS. CLARK noted this had no fiscal impact because it is already
in the Governor's budget.
CHAIRMAN DYSON asked Ms. Clark if Senator Miller has seen the CS.
MS. CLARK said they were aware in the Senate Finance Committee
that Senator Green had an objection to the ombudsman being
separated from this but they were not aware of the CS until a few
hours ago. She said that the CS is fine with Senator Miller.
Number 0457
JANE DEMMERT, Executive Director, Alaska Commission on Aging
(ACOA), Division of Senior Services, Department of
Administration, came forward to testify. She gave an overview of
the ACOA and explained that the ACOA provides a function that is
required under the Older Americans Act. The Meals on Wheels and
the senior center programs are largely funded with dollars from
the Older Americans Act. The commission administers other grants
and also serves as the beneficiary board in relationship with the
Alaska Mental Health Trust Authority as it relates to Alaskans
who are affected by Alzheimer's and other dementia. Finally the
ACOA is involved in extensive education which its newsletter
provides to a growing statewide community of older Alaskans.
MS. DEMMERT reported that over the last nine months, the ACOA has
restructured its committee structure and bylaws to accommodate
and address the issues in relation to an allegation of conflict
of interest regarding the housing and function of the Long-Term
Care Ombudsman. The commission has created a new standing
committee which excludes from its membership any member of the
commission who has even a glancing relationship with the pioneer
homes and provides oversight for the ombudsman function. The
commission has made an extraordinary commitment to address those
dimensions and considerations that speak to a conflict of
interest.
MS. DEMMERT pointed out that a search committee, which includes
members of the standing Long-Term Care Ombudsman committee of the
commission, and two members of the Alaska Mental Health Trust
Authority: its executive director and Nelson Page, the former
chair, are in the relatively late stages of a search for a Long-
Term Care Ombudsman. Finalist interviews are expected to be held
in a couple weeks. If it is the will of the legislature to
transfer this function, she suggested it would be better if the
effective date was immediately rather than July 1, 2001.
Otherwise there might be a vacancy for a year or the position
would be filled with an interim person, and the legislature would
have to do its own search.
Number 0678
REPRESENTATIVE BRICE asked if she supports the extension but
opposes moving the Long-Term Care Ombudsman.
MS. DEMMERT answered yes, but the ACOA feels also that it has
done all that it can so if it is going to move, the effective
date should be adjusted just to be as supportive of the well-
being of that function.
CHAIRMAN DYSON noted that recently there have been many
complaints about senior care around the state as well as positive
comments about how well the seniors are being taken care of and
that no problems exist. He asked: why has senior care been so
controversial, with so many reports of abuse and the huge
controversy surrounding the ombudsman's office? He also asked
what has precipitated the real and imaginary problems.
MS. DEMMERT answered that this is a dynamic in Alaska and around
the country. Assisted living is a new industry and has minimal
regulation at this point across the country. Therefore, people
have different expectations of what will be provided. All of
those expectations should be spelled out very clearly when a
contract is signed for service. This is a growing area. The
other dimension is that people are living longer so someone may
have been accepted into an assisted living facility with the
understanding that he/she would age in place and be there
forever. However, often the individuals receiving that care
begin to have such extreme conditions that they can't be
adequately provided for and that is problematic. This is a
continuing area of work; there are no black and white answers and
the concerns are legitimate. Some people are very pleased, and
some are extremely frustrated. There have been situations where
there has been illegal or inappropriate care, and there have been
others where the care has been adequate, but there is a great
difference between adequate and ideal. There is no easy answer.
Alaska's overall quality of care is considerably higher than just
about any state in the country. However, that does not excuse
illegal or inappropriate types of care.
Number 0894
CHAIRMAN DYSON said there have been reports of seniors being left
unattended in a bathtub or falling and having broken bones, or
being mismedicated. He asked if there had been any substance to
any of those reports.
MS. DEMMERT answered in some instances yes. In some instances
she believes there were different assessments of what had
actually occurred.
CHAIRMAN DYSON asked what was the situation that produced so much
controversy around the ombudsman's office.
MS. DEMMERT answered she wasn't sure. When the ombudsman's
office is doing its work she believes there will inevitably be a
degree of controversy. It is hard to know what he has in mind.
CHAIRMAN DYSON asked where the senior ombudsman resides
structurally in other jurisdictions.
MS. DEMMERT answered it varies across the country. In some
[states the ombudsman's office] is in the Department of Health
and Human Services, some have a Department of Aging and Adult
Services, and at least one resides in the Office of the Governor.
In further response to Chairman Dyson, Ms. Demmert believes [that
in some states the ombudsman's office] is in the legislative
branch.
Number 0992
REPRESENTATIVE BRICE asked Ms. Demmert how she would address the
argument or conflict of having the ombudsman's office in the
Department of Administration and having the funding and the
programs in the same department.
MS. DEMMERT answered the commission is composed of eleven
members. The appointments to commissionship are made by the
governor and the reporting relationship for the commission is to
its commission. Administratively there is a link with the
Division of Senior Services, but there is a clear distinction
between the commission and the Division of Senior Services within
the overall departmental structure.
REPRESENTATIVE BRICE asked where the Long-Term Care Ombudsman
fits into that structure.
MS. DEMMERT replied the Long-Term Care Ombudsman is under the
Alaska Commission on Aging.
The committee took an at-ease from 3:30 p.m. to 3:31 p.m.
Number 1093
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL made a motion to adopt the proposed House
committee substitute (CS) for SB 204, version 1-LS1288\D,
Lauterbach, 4/10/00, as a work draft.
Number 1100
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN objected.
REPRESENTATIVE BRICE commented that over the years he has seen a
continuous eroding of financial support to the legislative
ombudsman's office which he believes is a dangerous thing. He
asked how is the Long-Term Care Ombudsman's office funded in the
Department of Administration and will it be jeopardized by
bringing it over to the legislative ombudsman's office.
MS. DEMMERT replied that function is federally funded through the
Older Americans Act from funding that comes to the Alaska
Commission on Aging.
Number 1185
MR. BURNETT said he understands that the funding through the
Older Americans Act could be transferred from the Alaska
Commission on Aging to the legislative branch to pay for this
function.
REPRESENTATIVE BRICE asked if a clear bright line distinction is
made in the CS of funding sources so the LTCO doesn't get thrown
into the whole pot of the other ombudsman.
MR. BURNETT noted this LTCO is separate from the state
ombudsman's office.
REPRESENTATIVE KEMPLEN asked if there has been a senior group
that has advocated for the move of the LTCO or any documented
request by any senior constituent groups.
MR. BURNETT answered no, not specifically.
CHAIRMAN DYSON mentioned that he has heard some seniors mention
moving it in the past, but not through any formal action of some
group.
REPRESENTATIVE BRICE asked why they are waiting to this point in
time to meld this idea.
MR. BURNETT explained that Senator Green floated this idea when
the bill was in the Senate and spoke to the ACOA and other
people. She agreed to withdraw the amendment at that point and
after further conversations decided to bring it back at this
time.
CHAIRMAN DYSON suggested that the committee amend the CS, even
though it hadn't formally been adopted as the work draft. He
recommended striking "2001" on page 13, line 7, and replacing it
with "2000."
Number 1319
REPRESENTATIVE BRICE made a motion to change "2001" to "2000" on
page 13, line 7.
CHAIRMAN DYSON asked whether there was any objection. There
being none, Amendment 1 was adopted.
Number 1349
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL noted there were other places in the bill
that still said 2001.
Number 1365
REPRESENTATIVE BRICE changed Amendment 1 to be a conceptual
amendment to replace 2001 with 2000 [throughout] the bill.
CHAIRMAN DYSON asked whether there was any objection. There
being none, Amendment 1, as amended, was adopted as a conceptual
amendment.
CHAIRMAN DYSON said the ombudsman idea is a wonderful idea. The
independence of the ombudsman has been jealously guarded, and the
person can only be taken to task for not being an advocate for
whatever group it is. The independence of that is important, and
that is an argument for taking it away from the administration.
He doesn't know if there has been a problem with it but the
commissioners are appointed by the governor and then the
ombudsman reports to those commissioners, it could be the
perception that that person would struggle to expose things going
wrong. However, he noted that he has no evidence whatsoever
regarding such a problem.
REPRESENTATIVE KEMPLEN asked why it is just not acceptable to
have the LTCO in another line agency such as the Department of
Health and Social Services. He gave the example of the Foster
Care Review Board. He wondered why the LTCO had to be moved over
into the legislature.
MR. BURNETT answered that the governor eliminated funding for the
Foster Care Review Board, and the concern exists that it is still
the same executive. Alaska is unique in that the governor is the
only statewide official elected; most states have other
departments run by statewide elected officials. Since Alaska
only has a single executive, that is why there is this proposal
to move [the LTCO to] the legislative branch.
REPRESENTATIVE BRICE agrees it should be out of the Department of
Administration; he gets antsy when they talk about putting it
into the legislature because he has seen what has been done to
the general ombudsman. Over the next couple of days he will see
if there is a possibility to put a bright line in the bill so if
it is in the legislature it has a certain amount of independence
to ensure that funding stream doesn't go off to other things.
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN said an ombudsman can be adversarial as
opposed to some other shifts within a commissioner's fiefdom.
When that occurs it is in harm's way and an arm's length is
always good.
A roll call vote was taken. Representatives Whitaker, Green,
Morgan, Brice, Coghill and Dyson voted in favor of adopting the
House CS [version 1-LS1288\D, Lauterbach, 4/10/00, as amended] as
the work draft. Representative Kemplen voted against it.
Therefore, Version D [as amended] was adopted by a vote of 6-1.
Number 1659
REPRESENTATIVE BRICE made a motion to move the HCS for SB 204, as
amended, out of committee with individual recommendations and
attached fiscal notes. There being no objection, HCS SB 204(HES)
was moved from the House Health, Education and Social Services
Standing Committee.
SB 103 - NATIVE LANGUAGE EDUCATION
Number 1675
CHAIRMAN DYSON announced the next order of business as Senate
Bill No. 103, "An Act relating to a curriculum for Native
language education; and providing for an effective date."
Number 1678
SENATOR GEORGIANNA LINCOLN, Alaska State Legislature, sponsor,
came forward to present SB 103. She pointed out that the bill
needed a technical amendment to change the effective date to
2000. She showed a map of the languages she is talking about.
There are 20 languages in Alaska, and of those 20, if nothing is
done, 15 to possibly 18 languages will become extinct.
Furthermore, only Central and Siberian Yupik Native languages are
healthy right now. The other languages are in peril.
SENATOR LINCOLN explained that several years ago she visited a
classroom in Nulato where the students were watching the
television and learning Japanese from a woman teaching in
Seattle. She asked the teacher if Koyukon Athabaskan was also
taught in Nulato, and the response was no. However, the children
still have a choice of Russian, Spanish, Japanese or German.
Although it is [appropriate] for students to have choices in
languages, and she is not suggesting otherwise, she firmly
believes that the Native language must be one that can be chosen
in the communities.
SENATOR LINCOLN referred to page 3, line 10:
A school board shall establish a local Native language
curriculum advisory board ... in which a majority of
the students are Alaska Natives ...
SENATOR LINCOLN said once that advisory board is established, if
the advisory board then recommends the establishment of the
Native language curriculum in the educational system, the board
"may," so it still is permissive. The Senate had added an
amendment on page 3, line 13, that any school district "with
Alaska Native students may establish a local Native language
curriculum", because some urban areas in Alaska want to be able
to establish a Native language curriculum.
SENATOR LINCOLN commented that her mother spoke and read Koyukon
Athabaskan fluently, but was punished for speaking the language.
Consequently, her mother was not able to pass the language on to
her seven children. For those people who say the language has
got to start in the home, that might be true and could have been
true for her mother, but it is no longer true in most of the
villages because people like herself cannot pass it on to their
children because they themselves don't know the language.
SENATOR LINCOLN indicated there was a zero fiscal note, and there
are many letters of support. The committee has received a letter
of support from the superintendent of the Lower Kuskokwim School
District. Other school districts called to say they were trying
to get letters of support sent down but hadn't. A number of
other school districts support SB 103. The Department of
Education & Early Development support it.
Number 1991
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL asked Senator Lincoln if there could be a
problem deciding which dialect of a language would be taught.
SENATOR LINCOLN answered she didn't envision that happening.
Number 2015
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN referred to page 3, line 26, (B) audio-
visual, computer, and satellite technology. He wondered if
"where available" should be added because there might be school
districts that don't have those particular abilities.
SENATOR LINCOLN referred to page 3, line 23, where it says "to
the maximum extent possible."
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN asked if that could be interpreted such that
if school A doesn't have the equipment that it would, therefore,
need a higher amount of state support to get that. He is
concerned that when this bill is passed, it will force additional
funding to certain rural schools.
SENATOR LINCOLN said she does not envision that because right now
the schools have the choices of the other languages, and the same
technology would be used for the Native language.
Number 2086
REPRESENTATIVE KEMPLEN referred to page 3, line 29, and wondered
if "Alaskan Indian, Eskimo or Aleut" represents all the Alaska
Natives.
SENATOR LINCOLN answered that is correct.
REPRESENTATIVE BRICE clarified to Representative Green that to
alleviate the potential of a possible fiscal note, the school
districts are able to use the technology to bring in the distance
delivery rather than having to bring in a teacher.
SENATOR LINCOLN said she knows it's impossible to bring in
teachers so the technology will have to be used in order to get
it out to a number of the schools.
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL asked how this would be applied in a
larger school district.
SENATOR LINCOLN said the language allowing the urban centers to
offer a Native language was added in the Senate and thus she
doesn't know exactly how that would work.
CHAIRMAN DYSON noted that this could work even better with the
possibility that charter schools could form in the larger areas
that are specific to some of the language groups.
Number 2221
REPRESENTATIVE BRICE made a motion to adopt Amendment 1, which
read:
Page 3, line 31, strike "1999" and insert "2000."
CHAIRMAN DYSON asked whether there was any objection. There
being none, Amendment 1 was adopted.
REPRESENTATIVE MORGAN made a motion to move SB 103, as amended,
from committee with individual recommendations and zero fiscal
note. There being no objection, HCS SB 103(HES) moved from the
House Health, Education and Social Services Standing Committee.
The committee took an at-ease from 3:58 p.m. to 4:05 p.m.
SB 73 - ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES
CHAIRMAN DYSON announced the next order of business as CS for
Senate Bill No. 73(FIN), "An Act relating to assisted living
homes; and providing for an effective date." [The actual
announcement took place during the previous at-ease.]
Number 2249
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN said if the committee feels that it is a
good bill and a good idea, that is the purview of this committee.
He would prefer that the work on the finances be limited to the
Finance Committee.
REPRESENTATIVE BRICE responded that numbers do represent a very
important aspect of the health industry.
REPRESENTATIVE WHITAKER said with all due respect, he has a
tendency to agree with his counterparts "to the left." The
Health, Education and Social Services (HES) Committee decided on
$75 and thought that was a reasonable sum. The Finance Committee
certainly has a purview, and it will do what it deems
appropriate. This committee also should do what it deems
appropriate. He believes it is appropriate that the HES
Committee number be put back in.
The committee took a brief at-ease from 4:07 p.m. to 4:08 p.m.
TAPE 00-45, SIDE B
Number 2359
REPRESENTATIVE WHITAKER made a motion to adopt the proposed House
committee substitute (CS) for SB 73, version 1-LS0468\I,
Lauterbach, 4/13/00, as a work draft.
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN objected.
CHAIRMAN DYSON asked Mike Tibbles to comment on this.
Number 2291
MIKE TIBBLES, Staff to Representative Gene Therriault, Alaska
State Legislature, came forward to comment. He understands the
dilemma that the committee is faced with regarding trying to pass
a bill out that the committee feels is adequate. The Finance
Committee is looking at everything to come up with as much money
as it can. At this time, the Finance Committee doesn't know what
that number is, and it is Representative Therriault's feeling
that the Finance Committee would like to take the $42, see what
can be done, and go up from there, rather than having the Finance
Committee faced with the losing battle of coming down from $75.
REPRESENTATIVE KEMPLEN commented that the value placed on
something is a sign of commitment towards it. This committee has
a strong commitment towards this, and the higher value would be a
sign of that commitment.
CHAIRMAN DYSON asked Mr. Tibbles if there will be some time for
public input when this bill gets to the Finance Committee.
MR. TIBBLES said he didn't believe there has been an official
hearing so there would be public testimony. (Indisc.)
CHAIRMAN DYSON noted there were people on teleconference who have
some valuable things they would like to say on this bill, and he
doesn't want them to miss that opportunity.
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL asked to hear from Representative James'
office.
Number 2194
MYRNA McGHIE, Staff to Representative Jeannette James, Alaska
State Legislature, came forward to answer that Representative
James would definitely go for the $75. She explained the rate
had started at $50 in the Senate bill, and Representative James
wanted to get the rate in the middle and not have the steps, and
$75 seemed like a good amount.
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN noticed there were other changes in the
proposed CS and asked for someone to explain the other changes.
Number 2140
WES KELLER, Staff to Representative Fred Dyson, Alaska State
Legislature, explained that the Senate version goes ahead and
projects a number for next year, and that is the extra section in
the CS. It starts at $42.50 and goes up to $51.
Number 2060
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN suggested there are some changes if these
two bills are looked at side-by-side, and he wondered what the
difference is other than money.
MR. KELLER explained that this CS is the old HB 258 version that
the committee passed out.
REPRESENTATIVE BRICE asked if there was a 24-hour notice in this
bill.
CHAIRMAN DYSON answered yes. He apologized for the committee
receiving this version so recently, but he said he was
comfortable with doing that since it was the same as HB 258,
which the committee had passed out earlier.
A roll call was taken. Representatives Green, Morgan, Brice,
Kemplen, Coghill and Whitaker voted in favor of adopting Version
I as the work draft for SB 73. Representative Dyson voted
against it. Therefore, Version I was adopted as the work draft
by a vote of 6-1.
Number 1983
REPRESENTATIVE BRICE made a motion that the HCS for CSSB 73 move
from committee with individual recommendations and accompanying
fiscal note. There being no objection, HCS CSSB 73(HES) moved
from the House Health, Education and Social Services Standing
Committee.
The committee took an at-ease from 4:20 p.m. to 4:21 p.m.
HB 375 - INHALANT ABUSE
Number 1957
CHAIRMAN DYSON announced the next order of business as House Bill
No. 375, "An Act relating to abuse of inhalants."
REPRESENTATIVE MARY KAPSNER, Alaska State Legislature, sponsor,
came forward to present HB 375. She noted there is a committee
substitute (CS) because a subcommittee had met on it. [The
committee never formally adopted the CS as the work draft, but
that is what they used as the working document.] This bill
targets the problem of inhalant abuse, which is far reaching not
only in Alaska but across the nation. Although the problem has
been around for awhile, there has been a rise in inhalant abuse
in recent years and last year there was an inhalant abuse
conference in Bethel. She also noted her surprise in discovering
that there is nothing in statute that says it is illegal to abuse
inhalants. Therefore, she wanted to bring light to the situation
as well as put it in statute to give the people in the villages a
tool for leverage in law enforcement and the health profession to
get abusers into treatment. She informed the committee that
currently 37 states have legislation in the works and 24 states
already have something established in statute to deter people
from using inhalants.
Number 1888
REPRESENTATIVE KAPSNER explained that the proposed CS would make
inhalant abuse a class B misdemeanor under Title 47. On page 2,
line 15 and page 2, lines 1-2, it gives a suspended imposition of
sentence and has probation pending treatment. Her goal is not to
make criminals out of inhalant abusers; it is to get them to
treatment. Senators Murkowski and Stevens have garnered funds
for an inhalant abuse treatment center in Alaska. In 1998, Yukon
Kuskokwim Health Corporation did a study and found in 1996 and
1997, 161 Alaskans sought treatment for inhalant abuse at drug
and alcohol treatment centers. Because of this federal
appropriation, there is going to be a treatment abuse facility in
Bethel.
CHAIRMAN DYSON said he was surprised to find that people can have
permanent damage from abuse of inhalants. He noted his further
surprise in regard to the time it takes to detoxify, which he
understand can be days, weeks and even longer. He asked
Representative Kapsner if that was correct.
REPRESENTATIVE KAPSNER said that is correct. She understands
that the detoxification process can take up to 30 days. The cost
of an inhalant abuser with brain damage is about $1.4 million
over a lifetime.
CHAIRMAN DYSON asked, after finding out that the next committee
of referral for HB 375 is the Judiciary Committee, what the
penalty is for a class B misdemeanor.
REPRESENTATIVE KAPSNER answered $300 and asked Bob Buttcane to
answer.
Number 1750
ROBERT BUTTCANE, Juvenile Probation Officer, Division of Juvenile
Justice, Department of Health & Social Services, came forward to
answer. He said Alaska Statutes Section 12.55.135 indicates that
a person convicted of a class B misdemeanor may be sentenced to a
term not to exceed 90 days, so that would be the maximum jail
time with no minimum.
REPRESENTATIVE BRICE said he worked with Representative Kapsner
on this legislation, and they got hung up on how to ensure that
someone gets treatment without criminalizing the act itself.
Many cases involve ten- or twelve-year old children huffing
gasoline and thus the intention is not to establish these
children as criminals, but to get them help. Although they tried
to do some creative thinking, Legislative Legal and Research
Services said it couldn't be done. They are trying to figure
that one out.
GARY TURNER, Village Service Manager, Village Services
Department, Yukon Kuskokwim Health Corporation, testified via
teleconference from Bethel. He has been working with inhalant
problems since 1990 and has realized that an assessment and
recommendation could be done on an individual, but there was
nowhere to send a person with inhalant problems [because] he/she
doesn't qualify for certain treatment centers, although some got
into treatment centers in Fairbanks, Anchorage and Bethel. As
mentioned earlier, Senator Murkowski and others helped Bethel get
a treatment center, which will be available in 2001. In the
past, Ivan M. Ivan tried to push legislation through to help
provide leverage to get people into treatment as most people
don't volunteer to come in for treatment because they don't
believe they have a problem.
MR. TURNER continued saying in the last year after the conference
in Bethel, Representative Kapsner realized there was nothing in
statute on inhaling. If someone was caught inhaling, a trooper
couldn't do anything unless he could prove that person using
inhalants was endangering himself/herself or others. The health
corporation is supportive of a bill that will give them leverage
to get someone into treatment. The health corporation doesn't
want to make criminals out of children either as its primary
concern is to get people help.
Number 1483
BLAIR McCUNE, Deputy Director, Central Office, Alaska Public
Defender Agency, Department of Administration, testified via
teleconference from Anchorage. He expressed concern with Section
1, which criminalizes the conduct. From his experience, this is
a serious problem for mostly young people, and he doesn't believe
that criminalizing it is the answer. (Indisc.) The problem with
involuntary commitment is there are not enough beds for people
who want to get into treatment. Involuntary commitment for
minors can generally be done by the parents, but it is a tricky
process too.
MR. MCCUNE suggested on page 1, line 6, instead of "inhales any
substance" that inhalants be defined as "hazardous volatile
material or substance" which is found in Section 12. He
appreciated the work the subcommittee did trying to require a
suspended imposition of sentence in these cases, but technically
the Department of Law should be checked with for how that is
worded. (Indisc.)
Number 1316
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL referred to page 1, line 7, and said when
someone is reporting somebody, intent has to be proved. He asked
Mr. McCune how hard proving intent would be in this case to avoid
going off into being vindictive.
MR. MCCUNE said that is a concern with the statute. He believes
use of the term "hazardous volatile material" would take care of
some of the problems.
REPRESENTATIVE BRICE suggested that a good way to prove intent
would be if someone had a plastic baggie full of glue, or he/she
had a paper bag soaked in gasoline. Those are the things that
are being talked about in HB 375.
MR. MCCUNE said that his office hasn't been asked for a fiscal
note, but if the statute was enforced in juvenile court there
would be quite a few juveniles.
Number 1194
REPRESENTATIVE KAPSNER pointed out that if nothing is done, the
fiscal note would be a lot bigger.
CHAIRMAN DYSON asked Captain Stockard what effect this bill would
have on the state troopers.
Number 1160
CHRIS STOCKARD, Captain, Division of Alaska State Troopers,
Department of Public Safety (DPS), came forward to testify. He
agreed that HB 375 provides another tool for the VPSOs [Village
Public Safety Officer] and the police officers in the more remote
communities. He said the DPS shares some of the concerns about
criminalizing a behavior which is a medical addiction in nature.
The reality is it is difficult to convince people that they need
treatment. Sometimes having a judge say someone has to go into
treatment can be an effective way of getting some people into
treatment. However, he doesn't believe the department is going
to set out to look for people to charge with abuse of inhalants,
but it does provide an additional tool to use to get people help.
CHAIRMAN DYSON asked Captain Stockard if there is any evidence in
Alaska that people are using inhalants to exploit children, or
that children are using inhalants to exploit other children.
Number 1097
CAPTAIN STOCKARD answered he has never heard of any incidents,
but it is certainly not impossible.
CHAIRMAN DYSON asked if the giving of inhalants to another person
should be criminalized.
CAPTAIN STOCKARD commented that would raise some interesting
problems. Giving an inhalant to another person with the intent
that he/she use it illegally could certainly be criminalized, but
the local hardware store could be in a lot of trouble for
stockpiling gasoline or airplane glue. Therefore, it seems like
it would be difficult legislation to write.
Number 1033
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN suggested educating people of the dangers of
inhalants to be proactive instead of being reactive to the
problem. He hoped there would be a way to get this education
into the school system.
REPRESENTATIVE KAPSNER noted that process is already taking place
in Bethel with the annual inhalant abuse conference, and there
are some people talking to the school children. This bill would
help bring attention to inhalant abuse and show that the
legislature doesn't condone inhalant abuse and is trying to
prevent it by making a statement that inhalant abuse is not
acceptable.
REPRESENTATIVE BRICE noted there is a tremendous amount of public
effort through the DARE [Drug Abuse Resistance Education]
programs and various other things. There have been assemblies in
Fairbanks specifically on inhalant abuse.
Number 0914
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL suggested that when HB 375 goes to the
Judiciary Committee the intent issue should be talked about.
Number 0856
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL made a motion to move CSHB 375, Version 1-
LS1323\H, Luckhaupt, 3/28/00, from the committee with individual
recommendations and indeterminate fiscal note. There being no
objection, CSHB 375(HES) moved from the House Health, Education
and Social Services Standing Committee.
HB 413 - INTENSIVE FAMILY PRESERVATION SERVICES
Number 0771
CHAIRMAN DYSON announced the next order of business as House Bill
No. 413, "An Act relating to intensive family preservation
services; and providing for an effective date."
Number 0766
REPRESENTATIVE SHARON CISSNA, Alaska State Legislature, sponsor,
came forward to present HB 413. She outlined HB 413 which allows
the Department of Health & Social Services to create an intensive
intervention just before the removal of children from their
parents into state custody. This proposal is based on a model,
called Homebuilders, that has been successfully used by
Washington state since 1974. Moreover, this model has also been
successfully adapted by close to 30 other states. This program
is successful because, even though the family may have received
similar services prior to the imminent removal of their children,
the family is truly in crisis. At this juncture, families are
willing to accept and are searching for a way to safely keep
their children at home. House Bill 413 lays out the program and
steps that would be necessary to implement the proposal. The
bill adds language to existing statutes to offer more intensive
family preservation services than are available right now.
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA said the first important thing is the
child's safety in the home and the maintenance of that. Section
2 provides for the court to enumerate the reasons why intensive
services were not provided if they are in the best interest of
the child. Section 3 adds intensive family preservation services
to the person having legal custody. Section 4 adds six sections
to the statutes, beginning with the addition of a statewide
program. Basically the initial project would be in one area.
She pointed out that other programs have found it to be
successful if [the project] starts in one area and achieves
saturation, meaning there is enough of that service to meet all
the needs, and then move to other sections of the state.
Effectiveness of 70 percent is required in this program.
Although 70 percent is a very high measurement, it is necessary
because there has to be a program that works. Furthermore, it is
not cost effective if this isn't an improvement over existing
services. Other states have achieved 70 percent and better
effectiveness.
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA noted that the bill lays out the
eligibility of services, the conditions that are required for a
family and child to get these services, and then the section on
the solicitation of funding sources is provided for, and the
definitions of each of the terms in the bill. Section 6 says
before the termination of parental rights, that it shall offer
protective social services and then also consider the eligibility
of the child and the family for intensive family preservation
services. Section 7 outlines a study for the pilot program and
essentially lays out all the data collection required, the
[format of the] final report, the job of the person who is
essentially covered in the fiscal note, and what his/her job
should be. It would be implemented by November 30, 2001 and the
person in the position would give a report to the governor and
give notice to the legislature that the report is prepared.
Number 0403
SUSAN KELLY, Manager, Family Preservation Services, Family
Support Services, Prevention Services for Families, Family
Independence Agency (FIA), Michigan, testified via teleconference
from Ypsilanti, Michigan in support of HB 413. Three times over
the last decade she has been invited to testify on the value of
these services before the House Ways and Means Committee in
Washington, D.C. She is convinced of the value of these services
because of the hope she has seen with so many vulnerable and at-
risk families.
MS. KELLY said this hope has been realized for so many at-risk
and multi-problem families. To date her agency has served over
80,000 children representing about 35,000 families. About 85
percent of those children have been able to stay safely with
their families. The FIA follows up on those families a year
after they have terminated services. A select group of families
has been followed for several years. This program has worked
well in Michigan for families, children and tax payers.
(indisc.)
MS. KELLY said the FIA took the position that parents are
ultimately responsible for their children and that government
doesn't make a very good parent, and substitute families are
never as good if safety can be maintained in a child's own
family. There are not alternatives to families, and children
should not be removed from their families without strong
compelling evidence that the child can't remain safely with the
family. Child protection and child safety should not be pitted
against trying to find ways to really support families.
MS. KELLY explained that the federal government maintains an
entitlement to all the states that children should be removed if
they are in harm's way or are in danger. The children are also
entitled through the child protection laws to be protected by
mandatory reporting laws, but there is a big gap in the funding
stream from Washington to the states. There is entitlement to
move to child protection but there isn't entitlement for children
with adequate resources that enable them to be cared for safely
in their own home.
MS. KELLY said the system must move from a child rescue
mentality. She notes Alaska has a strong zero tolerance for
child abuse, and that needs to be coupled with strong support for
families. To strengthen families is one of the best ways to
protect children. It is difficult to tell which families are
hopeless and thus ways need to be found to work with highly
volatile families.
CHAIRMAN DYSON asked Ms. Kelly if she believes that HB 413 makes
family support services an entitlement on the same level as child
protective services.
Number 0011
MS. KELLY said if the bill is structured [in its current form]
and is in one jurisdiction, no; however she thinks Alaska will
see some great success with it. What will be seen is the freeing
up of resources.
TAPE 00-46, SIDE A
Number 0001
MS. KELLY noted the FIA has been able to hold the line on out-of-
home-care for several years because it built up a strong
prevention in family support.
Number 0066
PRISCILLA MARTIN, Executive Director, National Family
Preservation Network, Lobbyist, Behavioral Sciences Institute,
testified from Idaho. She said it is important for the
legislature to pass HB 413 rather than have the department
implement it because then it becomes a part of state policy, and
the integrity of the model can be protected. Washington state
has had this model for 25 years and there has never been a child
death while working with the family. In regard to the issue of
funding and implementation, almost all states use family
(indisc.) dollars for programs; however, states with the highest
level of commitment of dollars frequently make use of federal
funds through a number of programs. Some private foundation
funds are also possibly available.
MS. MARTIN noted the real key to implementation is the support
from the child welfare agency. It is essential that the
department supports this because it is the one who does the
referrals. The Homebuilders model has been replicated in 30
states and six foreign countries. She is not aware of a success
rate lower than 75 percent. On the cost effectiveness, a
researcher has calculated that the break even point is a 27
percent success rate. For every dollar invested into family
preservation services, the state will save $3.43 in out-of-home
care costs. The model also works very well with minority
families. The organizations that she represents stand ready and
willing to help implement this model. [HB 413 was heard and
held.]
ADJOURNMENT
CHAIRMAN DYSON recessed the House Health, Education and Social
Services Standing Committee meeting at 4:28 p.m. until Friday,
April 13, 2000, at 9 a.m.
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